Losing Your Cultural Identity

Your daughters look horrible and ridicolous, get a grip.

This is, nowadays, sadly, a familiar scene: scores of wannabe bloody, terrifying, ugly-looking little devils, draculas, zombies, werewolves Harry Potters and witches, will pollute the streets with their rubbish and their stupid waves of laughter and harass people with that unsustainable “trick or treat” mantra of theirs, borrowed by abominable Druids with a penchant for human sacrifice.

It’s the manifest evidence that Westerners have lost their cultural identity. Do Muslims celebrate Halloween? No, they don’t. Secular Muslims, maybe – but that’s nominalism.

Let me explain to you what Halloween really is: it’s a pagan ritual meant to celebrate death, blood, the Devil, and violence. It’s an Illuminati, Gaelic, Satanist feast, which has its roots in a Druidic ceremony that took place on October the 31st because the Druids believed this to be the day in which the Summer and the Wintertime begun. In this day, the spirits of the deads were free to roam the earth and terrorize the living ones. For this reason, people would dress like demons: in order to make it difficult for the spirits to tell the difference. If the spirits couldn’t tell you from one of theirs, they couldn’t attack you or harm you in any way.

The Roman Catholic Church has just turned the day of Samhain into a supposedly “Christian” festivity because this is what it has always done: compromising the word of God in order to gain money and followers. What else did you expect from the Vaticanus (vatic= prophet + anus)? 

But this is history. The problem is that – Halloween being a Satanic holiday – when you take part in it – in any way, shape or form – you are performing a Satanic ritual, like it or not. The Devil doesn’t care that you do it because “it’s fun”, he’s the ultimate legalist. He couldn’t care less if you can’t tell a square from a circle. Give Him an opportunity to enter into your life and He will use it, remember:Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour” (1st Peter 5:8). 

The fact that kidnappings of kids and animals tend to spike on this and other Pagan holidays is no secret, just do some research.

To the normal reasoning person, this should be a no-brainer: “I’m not defending myself against the spirits of the deads, I’m not celebrating the death of Summer, I’m not turning my kids into little monsters and I have nothing to do with witchcraft, Paganism, druidic traditions, Satanic rituals.” You need a lobotomy if you think that dressing up like a monster is cool. It isn’t cool, you don’t look good: you look horrible and ridiculous, and your kids look even more pathetic, dressed as vampires.

You’re probably some haughty, multi-culti, self-indulgent, chronological snob who thinks very highly of himself just because he was born in the last decades of the 1900s (the most violent century ever), and therefore you believe in humanism, environmentalism, pacifism, feminism, vegetarianism, socialism and all the other stupid “isms” that the miserable New Age movement (there’s nothing new under the sun) threw at you. Maybe you don’t even believe in the Devil per se. However, you have watched “Star Wars” (your Bible) and are convinced that “there is a disturbance in the Force” somewhere, somehow. Well, let me tell you: you are WRONG and you are an ignorant.

There are only two powers in the universe: God and Satan. Do some research, make a decision and take your stand. You, modern-day Westerners, have lost you own cultural identity and have become a bunch of gay-pacifists/tree-huggers with absolutely no idea of which bathroom you should use. “There is a way which seems right to a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death” (Proverbs 14:12) and you are on that way. But remember also: “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7 13:14).

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Andrea Loquenzi Holzer

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16 thoughts on “Losing Your Cultural Identity

  1. A culture is defined by it’s practices – including it’s holidays. Americans have long celebrated one form or another of Halloween, so in as much as we’re Americans, it is part of our cultural identity to celebrate Halloween. For the longest time, Americans were also mostly Christian. It’s another part of our cultural identity. So in order for an American Christian to celebrate Halloween, they are in keeping with their cultural identity. It is not partaking of Halloween that is a loss of cultural identity; of being outside of the norm.


    1. I respect your point of view, Jamie. I don’t agree with you, however. Americans have not celebrated Halloween up until the very early 1900s – It was the Irish immigrants who imported this festivity, and while the number of Catholics from Italy and Ireland rose, the habit of celebrating Halloween became more common. However, the early Americans – the Puritans – did not celebrate Halloween because they found the practice way too Pagan and way too Catholic (and rightly so). But surely the celebration of Halloween is Pagan and Irish at the very best, not American. Modern America was founded on Christian values (in God we Trust), not Pagan values. This is what I’m talking about. But thank you so much for your interest and comment. I truly appreciate.


      1. According to history.com: “Celebration of Halloween was extremely limited in colonial New England because of the rigid Protestant belief systems there. Halloween was much more common in Maryland and the southern colonies. As the beliefs and customs of different European ethnic groups as well as the American Indians meshed, a distinctly American version of Halloween began to emerge. The first celebrations included “play parties,” public events held to celebrate the harvest, where neighbors would share stories of the dead, tell each other’s fortunes, dance and sing. Colonial Halloween festivities also featured the telling of ghost stories and mischief-making of all kinds.”
        So yeah, some colonists (though not all) celebrated Halloween in one form or another.


      2. Thanks again for your comment, Jamie: much appreciated. You know? Opinions are like noses: we all have one. I don’t really mind the fact that yours differs from mine. Let me point out the fact that, what I’m saying in this blog post, is that America’s cultural identity is imbued in Judaeo-Christian values, and that kind of cultural identity is also called Western values-oriented. Democracy, the rule of law, free-market capitalism and Biblical values are at very core of modern Western society. Now, look at this statement, “Celebration of Halloween was extremely limited in colonial New England because of the rigid Protestant belief systems there.” Don’t you think that, using a similar attitude, I could claim that the celebration of Halloween was much more common in Maryland and the Southern colonies, because of the rigid Pagan belief system that existed there? I mean Paganism is a rigid belief system as much as Evangelical Christianity is. The difference being in the values: Paganism is all about death, violence, rebellion, witchcraft, mischief-making, ghost stories, fortune telling, dancing, singing, Sun worship, etc. etc. … If you like to celebrate these sorts of things, go ahead. But I don’t and this is my opinion. And America was founded on Judaeo-Christian values, not on Pagan values… which actually are not even values… come to think about it. But thanks again! Cheers!


      3. The fact that Halloween is as big as it is shows that Judeo-Christian values aren’t the only influence – but it’s also worth considering how the very population that gave us Halloween were also Presbyterians who became Baptists and Methodists – they found a way to celebrate both without viewing it as a betryal of their faith or their culture. Those Presbyterians weren’t exactly welcome among the New England regions where Puritanism forbade Halloween, so they settled in the south where they could practice both freely. If it wasn’t a betrayal for them, then it isn’t one for us; not if we don’t want it to be.


      4. The fact that a bunch of people celebrate Pagan holidays does not mean that they are influencing the fundamental values of a Society: America’s core values, like the core values of the West at large, are based on the Ten Commandments of the Bible, like it or not. Look at the laws: stealing is a crime, murdering is a crime, false testimony is a crime, the institution of the family is sacred, solidarity is basically imposed from the top, equal opportunities are (in theory) enforced , the Welfare system is based on Christian piety and so on and so forth. What I’m saying in the blog post does not go against what you are saying, by the way. In fact, the point is that Western society as a whole is going Pagan once again. And as per the Presbyterians, they are basically Calvinists; I would have a hard time calling Calvinists “Christians”, but anyway. I don’t care what they think: you can’t celebrate Halloween and call yourself a Christian, it’s either you DESPISE pagan holidays, or you are NOT a Christian. And it isn’t Puritanism that forbade Halloween, it’s the Bible. Much in the same way: Pagans forbid Christian values, they don’t attend mass, they don’t pray God, they don’t believe in Jesus Christ. It isn’t that Puritans forbade Halloween, is that they wouldn’t celebrate it because it’s non-sense. Monster are monsters, no matter how you put it. Kids dressed up as vampires sucks for real. Zombies are dead people, they stink and they are horrible. There is nothing to celebrate in death. Halloween is horrifying and that’s what I believe, can I state my opinion? This is it: Halloween sucks, it stinks and I hate it. So sorry.


      5. Considering that today is All Saints Day, when Christianity honors its dead, and All Souls day is coming up – I think it’s important to understand that generations of Christians used these holy days to remember that death doesn’t have the ultimate victory. My friends who celebrate the Day of the Dead honor their relatives who are no longer among them and laugh and make fun of death itself because it cannot hold them as they are Christians. I would say that anything that a group of Christians celebrates makes for a Christian holy day – and since Christians do celebrate Halloween then it is indeed a day for faith.


      6. Wait, wait: All Saints is NOT a Christian festivity, it’s Catholic. I’m guessing you are familiar with the difference between Catholicism and Christianity? Christians are not supposed to worship saints, but only Jesus… in fact: Christians are called “saints” themselves. The tradition of “remembering the dead” relatives is utterly Pagan.

        You could say whatever you want, but that’s your opinion, or uneducated guess. It’s nice to have and express opinions, but the one according to which whatever Christians celebrate becomes a “Christian festivity” is out of place. Christians have a Holy Book in which they can find guidelines on what, how and when they are supposed to celebrate. And the Bible also states that whosoever does not follow the guidelines is considered an “abomination in the eyes of the Lord”. Look at the Ten Commandments: “4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

        5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;”

        Pretty clear, huh?


      7. Catholics and Protestants both believe in Jesus as their savior, making them His brothers and sisters. They were called Christians long beford Protestants came to be. Further, the Council of Jerusalem decided that Gentiles weren’t obligated to be circumcized and weren’t required to obey the Law of Moses, including the ten commandments.


      8. Catholics, however, also worship Mary and they believe in Purgatory and they don’t derive authority solely from scriptures, but also from the traditions of the Roman Church, as opposed to the Protestants, who believe in the Lutheran concept of “Sola Scriptura” (the Bible is the only source of theological authority). Furthermore, the Roman Catholic church is the single institution that has killed the greatest number of people in history through wars, persecutions, mass murdering, torture and so on and so forth. Catholicism has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity whatsoever, it is a religious syncretic cult, a mixture of Greco-Roman Paganism and traditions and a few, highly adapted elements of biblical origins. Catholics might claim to believe in the same Jesus Christ Christians also believe, but they certainly don’t believe in the true meaning of His sacrifice, since they re-enact the Golgotha every Sunday during Mass, through the transubstantiation, therefore practically claiming that Jesus’ sacrifice did not suffice to save the sinners. And these are only the least of their problems, they also worship dead people (the Saints), because the saints have taken the place of the Greco-Roman deities in their minds, since they are Pagans at heart. Catholics might CLAIM to be Christians, but that’s another story… their actions throughout history speak of another truth…


      9. Yet they are Christians, and Scripture says that anyone who calls upon the Lord will be saved; including but not limited to Catholics. If Catholics aren’t going to heaven, then neither are Protestants.


      10. NO, Catholic aren’t Christians and there is no amount of things you can say to change THIS VERY WELL KNOWN AND ACCEPTED REALITY. SORRY. DO YOUR RESEARCH, IT ISN’T ROCKET SCIENCE, WORK IT OUT. A Christian – by definition – is a follower of Christ. This in turns means somebody who does what Christ has told him to do. And Jesus said, precisely: “But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.” (Matthew, 5:40) It follows logically that whosoever responds with violence to an attack cannot be considered a Christian and Catholics have done that, they even have their own State and their own militia. This also means that whosoever makes war in the name of Christ is not to be taken seriously because, given this premise, it is hard to imagine that Christ would approve.But I’m happy you can tell who’s going to earn eternal life and who’s not. I thought that was a prerogative of the Father. And don’t forget: “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all” (I Timothy 2) .
        And “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)
        Do you see the Virgin Mary mentioned here, anywhere? Do you see the Saints mentioned?? The Pope, by any chance? Read the Bible. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God” (Ephesians 2:8) Do you read here, by any chance, that you are supposed to be baptised as an infant, otherwise you’ll go to hell? Do you read here that you MUST do catechism, take the sacraments, swear allegiance to the Pope and the Church of Rome in order to be saved? And tell me? Where, exactly, does the Bible talk about Purgatory and the need to pay money to the Catholic priests in order for the souls of their loved ones to be saved and finally access Paradise? Where does the Bible talks about priests and nuns?? I never talk about what I don’t know or haven’t studied: you should do the same.


      11. You do realize that there are plenty of Christians – both Catholic and Protestant – who have harmed/killed one another in the name of religion; that there are Christians who have harmed/killed Muslims and members of other faiths in the name of religion? You’ve condemned hundreds of thousands; possibly countless more. The Catholics I know are as Christian as the Protestants I know. These days, Protestants also follow unwritten rules in the name of their doctrine – so it’s not much different. I do understand church history, how there was just one church, until about the year 1000, how that divided into the Greek Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church, how the Reformation shattered the Roman Catholic Church and created all stripes of Protestant Churches. Long before our ancestors were Protestants, they were Catholic. There is one church, one Lord, one Holy Spirit, and one baptism who is all in all. Christians are Catholic and Protestant; denominational and nondenominational; they’re every kind of believer. Anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord, even if they also believe in other things or if they don’t believe in those other things – it’s the name of the Lord that saves them. So whether or not they believe in other things and what those other things are don’t matter. Catholics and Protestants are both Christians who will go to heaven, and if you can’t get used to that on earth, how on earth are you going to get along with your brothers and sisters in heaven?


      12. Your personal doctrine for salvation is on shaky grounds under biblical scrutiny:

        “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” I Corinthians 6:9

        Also, the Bible clearly states that those who add or subtract to the word of God are in error (chapter and verse on the doctrine of Purgatory, please?)

        “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” Deuteronomy 4:2

        Moreover, I fail to see the connection between “doing war in the name of God” and being a Christian. If I were to slaughter millions of people in YOUR name and later claim that YOU told me to do so, what would you say? Would you call me a “Carterian”? Christ said that we are supposed to turn the other cheek and whosoever doesn’t do that isn’t one of His follower. Easy as pie. A follower of Christ is somebody who does the will of Christ. All those who don’t are NOT His followers.

        Don’t you dare comparing the Protestants and the Roman Catholics, especially when it comes to mass murdering. The Roman Catholics are the greatest mass murderers in history. The Pope has ordered the murdering of millions of people throughout history, for his own personal gain and in order to be able to build their golden empire on earth.

        To say that people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ is preposterous. And It is shallow to say so, because people did commit terrible deeds in the name of Christ, but the fact is: these people were not Christians. It’s preposterous because, if anything, Christians have been persecuted throughout the ages and, as a matter of fact, they are still being persecuted. Calvary apart, many of the apostles perished as martyrs, a huge number of Christians have been fed to the lions to amuse the Romans and were persecuted until the advent of Constantine. But Christians were also persecuted outside of the Roman Empire and during the Middle Ages. They were considered inferiors (dhimmi) under the Arab Islamic Caliphate; sometimes they were killed and sometimes deported. The Roman Church itself slaughtered a considerable amount of so called “heretics” in the name of justice. Arnaldo Da Brescia was hanged by Pope Adrian IV in 1155 because he had denounced the misdeeds of the papacy. A crusade was initiated by Pope Innocent III against the Albigensians in 1209, and then it was the turn of the Wycliffites, the Hussites and the Waldenses. The Catholics went to war against reformed Christians as well. Lutherans were executed by Henry VIII and his daughter (Bloody Mary) in England, not to mention the persecution of Christians in China, Japan and India, the Dechristianisation of France during the French Revolution, the Armenian, Assyrian and Greek genocides during the Ottoman Empire, the Persecution of Christians in Warsaw Pact countries, the one which took place in Mexico during the 20th century, the one in Nazi Germany and finally the ongoing persecution to which Christians are subjected right now in the Muslim World.

        You claim to know the history of the Church and then proceed to say that there was ONE church at the beginning. Correct, the problem being, the Catholics had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the fathers of the church. The Roman Catholic Church came into existence SOLELY because Constantine needed to embrace the growing Christian credo, and since many of his soldier were becoming Christians he thought it was better to adopt Christianity as the official religion of the Roman empire. The problem being the empire of Rome had been a Pagan one up until that point and therefore he decided to melt the two religions together. Also, most of his soldiers were followers of the cult of Mitra. But he needed his soldiers to be unite before the battle of the Tiber. The day before the battle, he decided to tell his people that he had a dream (In Hoc Signo Vinces). The rest is history. Therefore, Roman Catholicism is a syncretic religion which mixes Paganism, some elements of Christianity, and the cult of Mitra. You can easily see that even today. The People being the half-human/half divine subject with the power to condemn and forgive believers, initiate wars (Crusades) and make Saints. The Saints themselves being Pagan deities and the Church being the Empire (Vatican State, money, army). Simple as whistling dixies. Do your research.

        The Roman Catholic Christ is NOT the biblical Jesus Christ. He is Tammuz, the son of Semiramis. Also, you said that is the name of the Lord who saves non-believers and apostates. Actually, that would be the admission that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the only way to salvation and the acceptance of His sacrifice on the month of Calvary as the one and ONLY possible way to salvation, which comes by grace through faith. But the Roman Catholics DO NOT accept that simple doctrine, and requires believers to take part in the Roman Catholic Church by telling them that, if they don’t do that, they cannot be saved, thus reversing the very word of Christ Himself. Not only: they don’t even accept the fact that the sacrifice of Jesus was sufficient to cover our sins, since they repeat that sacrifice every given Sunday during mass (Transubstantiation). Yet, the Bible clearly states that “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God” (Ephesians 2:8) and that God allowed His only begotten Son to be insulted, tortured and murdered at the hand of Roman soldiers on the Golgotha for the remission of our sins: “Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.” Romans 3:25. To claim the contrary is pure blasphemy. And to act as if Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross was NOT enough and insisting that the calvary must be repeated each Sunday during mass in order for the Christians to be saved, is pure apostasy and it is contrary not only to scripture, but also to common sense. It’s either the sacrifice of Jesus Christ was enough, therefore the Catholics are in error (but they are not justified in their mistake because the Bible is crystal clear on the subject), or it wasn’t and therefore God was wrong. It’s you choice.


      13. I was under the impression that Jesus’ love could erase the sins of everyone who calls upon his name, no matter what they had done or who they were. Are you telling me that some peoples’ sin is so great, Jesus cannot forgive them?
        I was also taught that the Counsel of Jerusalem decided that Gentiles were not required to obey the Law of Moses, so much of Deuteronomy isn’t applicable to modern Christians.
        I’m not sure where you got “doing war in the name of God” from – every instance of the word “war” is pretty much your own – except for this comment and that’s only to point out that you said “war” and I didn’t. The problem is that the Bible does show God ordering the Israelites to commit genocide as they settled in Canaan – fortunately the New Testament version of God only wipes out the world in the book of Revelation and doesn’t leave behind him the same body count in the Old Testament. That’s for you to wrestle with.
        Humanity tends to develop a blind spot when it comes to religion – that’s why religious cleansing is a problem to this day – no matter what faith you cling to or the faiths that you stand against – it’s this attitude of “mine is the only right one, all others are wrong” that opens the door to hostility, hostility to hatred, and hatred to horror – it’s the inability to see the Christian faith as a big tent with a lot of different kinds of seats that explains why generations of Christians murdered each other in an attempt to see to it their faith and their interpretation come out on top. The best way to prevent having blood on your hands is to accept that there’s more than one interpretation of Scripture and others have a right to view them as they do – it’s accepting that there’s not a monopoly that allows us to see difference and decide that it’s not worth dividing over. If Christianity is a family – then it doesn’t matter if we’re Colts or Broncos or Giants fans – it just matters that we’re into the game. I can’t believe for a moment that God would rescind his word, that there are people who call upon the name of Jesus who won’t be saved. It’s up to us to decide what we do with our faith, we’ve seen the human tendency to do horrible things – but it’s the mark of someone who lives at peace with everyone to allow others to live and let live knowing that they would do the same for us. That’s how we put an end to many millennia of religious violence.


      14. Yes, your impression is right, but just calling the name of Jesus won’t save you if you don’t repent of your mistakes. The Roman Catholics are mistaken and they will be saved if they repent. But repenting would require them to come out of the Roman Catholic Church and renounce its false doctrine.

        This is not a question of following the Torah, of course neither Christians, nor Jews, – after the Golgotha – are actually required to follow the Law of Moses. That’s why Jesus came: to redeem the sins of the world! You can’t win your salvation by works, you are saved by grace through faith: salvation is a free gift from God for all those who believe in Him and worship Him (not the Pope or the Virgin Mary…); it can’t be earned, like the Catholics wrongly claim. And actually, they are the ones who claim that there is no salvation outside of the Roman Catholic Church and if you don’t worship the saints, the Pope, the Virgin Mary, the Vatican and if you don’t take the sacraments.

        That’s right: in the Old Testament it is written that God ordered his people to go to war against, not only the Canaanites, but also against every other tribe that was dwelling in the Promised Land. Not only, God’s people were also supposed to defend each other against invaders of all sorts. The problem being, these people were PURE evil and the reason why God ordered the Jews to kill them was because the were following abominable Gods to whom they would sacrifice their firstborns by roasting them alive under the Statues of Idols like Baal, for example. Also, the other HUGE difference between what is written in the Old Testament and what the Pope has done is that tTHE POPE IS NOT GOD!!! Gosh, one would think this is a no-brainer. Not only God ordered His people to go to war against the heathens because those were completely insane, but He also didn’t do so in order for the Jews to become rich, like the Pope did, let alone the fact that the Pope isn’t God, obviously. It’s either you see the inconsistence of the moral equivalence between the wars against the Pagans in the Old Testament and the justification of the Crusade, or you are arguing for the sake of arguing and I don’t have time for that.

        I also don’t understand what you are talking about when you say you didn’t speak about war. I don’t care if you did or not, mass murdering was a Catholic thing, whether you like it or not.

        No, humanity does not develop any blind spot when it comes to religion, but only when it comes to false religion and, besides, Christianity isn’t even a religion. Catholicism is, Islam and Judaism, or Buddhism… in short, any other ism apart from Christianity is a religion. Religiosity is the attempt by humans to ingratiate God and win salvation. Christianity is the very opposite. It’s either you get this, or you don’t. It is very easy to understand this concept, though.

        And no: this is not about interpretations, it’s about truth: Christianity is truth, every other thing isn’t. Get over it. You will never put an end to violence, nowhere in the Bible is says that human beings are capable of achieving world peace or that they are supposed to attempt to achieve such a thing. “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword,” said Jesus Himself (Matthew 10:34). As per the interpretation of the Scriptures, obviously, others do have a right to interpret the Bible, even though the Bible clearly states that there is no need to interpret anything because “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” (II Peter 1:21) and “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness” (II Timothy 3:16). Of course people are FREE to interpret whatever they want, God gave them free-will. This isn’t a question of whether or not people are free to do whatever they want, it a question of whether doing whatever they want is convenient or not. There are consequences when you do the wrong thing. What is there to interpret when Jesus says “love thy neighbour as thyself”? or “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)? Why and how, in the name of all that is holy, could somebody take this verse and think “well, I guess Jesus was wrong and actually we also need the Pope, the Virgin Mary and the saints in order to get saved!” ???


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